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Does the Providence Police really need this much ammo?

Postby Blast54 » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:06 pm

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This is an actual ammo bid requirement for the Prov Police.

Think it is a bit much?
They expecting war?
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Re: Does the Providence Police really need this much ammo?

Postby cbp » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:41 pm

It's somewhere around 500 ball rounds per officer. That's not really that much with qualifications and,hopefully,practice,provided that's an order for 1 year and not a few.

I'm a little surprised seemingly so many more carry .45 than 9mm.
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Re: Does the Providence Police really need this much ammo?

Postby SirSqueeboo » Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:59 am

cbp wrote:It's somewhere around 500 ball rounds per officer. That's not really that much with qualifications and,hopefully,practice,provided that's an order for 1 year and not a few.

I'm a little surprised seemingly so many more carry .45 than 9mm.


Their MP5s take 9MM.
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Re: Does the Providence Police really need this much ammo?

Postby MasterGuns2077 » Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:16 pm

I wish CG got that much practice ammo, but I've seen people put more than 300 rounds downrange for qual/practice every six months. Since I USUALLY qualify the first time I only shoot 50.
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Re: Does the Providence Police really need this much ammo?

Postby Uncle Duke » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:28 pm

I'm an NRA Pistol instructor and teach the Basic Pistol and Personal Protection in the Home courses. I tell my students in the Basic Course to expect to shoot at least 50 rounds, although should bring 100 rounds "just in case". I tell my PPIH students to bring at least 300 rounds.

Given the fact that Providence PD has about 400 officers and if they all have to qualify once a year, that's only 20,000 rounds at one box of ammo per officer. I would think that with a SWAT team and select-fire weapons that could easily double unless they replace some of their guns/ammo with Simunition or lasers.
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Re: Does the Providence Police really need this much ammo?

Postby Blast54 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:50 pm

Still seems a bit excessive to me....
300,000 total plus they end up with another 35,000 of left over "duty" ammo if they replace it every year.
Maybe I am just jealous :)
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Re: Does the Providence Police really need this much ammo?

Postby Uncle Duke » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:21 pm

You also have to figure ammo needed for routine training sessions and stocking the range for officers who go to the range on a regular basis. The amount of .223/5.56mm or shotgun ammo doesn't seem excessive either.

I've got over 2000 rounds of 230 gr .45 ball ammo and 1000 rounds of Critical Duty ammo in .45 ACP and .38 SPL, 1000 rounds of .223/5.56, and 1000 rounds of .300 AAC Blackout plus uncounted boxes of 9mm Makarov, .40 S&W, 9 mm NATO, .30-.30, and .270 for target practice and hunting.
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Re: Does the Providence Police really need this much ammo?

Postby MasterGuns2077 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:57 am

Blast54 wrote:Still seems a bit excessive to me....
300,000 total plus they end up with another 35,000 of left over "duty" ammo if they replace it every year.
Maybe I am just jealous :)


As I read it, duty is separate because it is hollow point, whereas ball is for target practice.
Leftover target ammo would never be used as duty ammo, or at least we never would do that.
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Re: Does the Providence Police really need this much ammo?

Postby Blast54 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:01 pm

MasterGuns2077 wrote:
Blast54 wrote:Still seems a bit excessive to me....
300,000 total plus they end up with another 35,000 of left over "duty" ammo if they replace it every year.
Maybe I am just jealous :)


As I read it, duty is separate because it is hollow point, whereas ball is for target practice.
Leftover target ammo would never be used as duty ammo, or at least we never would do that.


You have it backwards....I am saying that the 35k of duty ammo should be replaced by fresh ammo every year. So they can also use last years duty as this year's target ;)
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Re: Does the Providence Police really need this much ammo?

Postby MasterGuns2077 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:29 pm

Blast54 wrote:
MasterGuns2077 wrote:
Blast54 wrote:Still seems a bit excessive to me....
300,000 total plus they end up with another 35,000 of left over "duty" ammo if they replace it every year.
Maybe I am just jealous :)


As I read it, duty is separate because it is hollow point, whereas ball is for target practice.
Leftover target ammo would never be used as duty ammo, or at least we never would do that.


You have it backwards....I am saying that the 35k of duty ammo should be replaced by fresh ammo every year. So they can also use last years duty as this year's target ;)


Ahh, gotcha, misread that. Maybe they don't purchase duty ammo every year? I know we don't get new duty ammo yearly, I'd be willing to bet we have rounds from the last decade.
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