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Need help with anti gun poll in Projo

Postby newportri » Wed May 10, 2017 10:45 pm

This poll is very broad and is only meant to mislead people that RI is supporting H5510 without explaining the many flaws with the bill.
Please vote:
http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20170509/ri-speaker-supports-effort-to-take-guns-away-from-domestic-abusers--poll
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Re: Need help with anti gun poll in Projo

Postby cookiecutter » Thu May 11, 2017 3:58 pm

Done ...
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Re: Need help with anti gun poll in Projo

Postby RImike » Thu May 11, 2017 7:31 pm

Don't expect it to last long, the results aren't fitting in with their narrative.
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Re: Need help with anti gun poll in Projo

Postby Cyril » Thu May 11, 2017 8:22 pm

Current status:

R.I. Speaker Mattiello supports a bill that would prohibit people convicted of domestic assault or subject to domestic restraining orders from possessing guns. Do you agree or disagree?

30% Agree, 254 votes

70% Disagree, 590 votes
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Re: Need help with anti gun poll in Projo

Postby newportri » Thu May 11, 2017 9:01 pm

I hope he sees this poll..
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Re: Need help with anti gun poll in Projo

Postby Cyril » Fri May 12, 2017 2:26 pm

Status update:

May 9 2017 3:24 PM
R.I. Speaker Mattiello supports a bill that would prohibit people convicted of domestic assault or subject to domestic restraining orders from possessing guns. Do you agree or disagree?

24% Agree, 352 votes

76% Disagree, 1123 votes

Also, might as well put the text of the article here for posterity, since ProJo will likely lock it behind a paywall soon...

RI speaker supports effort to take guns away from domestic abusers + poll

House Speaker Nicholas Mattiello PROVIDENCE JOURNAL FILE PHOTO
“I am not looking at this bill as a gun issue, but rather it is a domestic violence concern,” the Speaker said.

Posted May 9, 2017 at 1:28 PM
Updated May 9, 2017 at 1:28 PM

By Katherine Gregg
Journal Political Writer

PROVIDENCE, R.I. - The decades long drive to take guns away from domestic abusers resumes at the State House on Tuesday night amid indications that some version may actually pass this year.

On Tuesday, House Speaker Nicholas Mattiello, an avowed 2nd Amendment advocate, issued this statement: “I am not looking at this bill as a gun issue, but rather it is a domestic violence concern.”

“I have given priority in the past to protecting victims of domestic abuse,″ he continued. “Last year, we created a direct appropriation of $300,000 for domestic violence education and prevention. This is a serious problem which we will continue to address.”

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While his statement did not guarantee a vote on the specific bill up for a hearing by the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday night - and then the full House - state Rep. Teresa Tanzi, D-South Kingstown, said the statement reflects what Mattiello told her recently: that he has “heard “loud and clear that this is a priority for his members.”

From a political calculus point of view, passage would also mark a win for the “progressive’ bloc in the House whose support Mattiello will need to pass a new state budget and other potentially controversial legislation in the home-stretch of this year’s legislative session, expected to end at some point in June.

At its most basic, the bill seeks to prohibit those convicted of a misdemeanor domestic assault and those subject to domestic-restraining orders from possessing guns.

State and federal law already contain provisions for removing firearms from abusers convicted of a felony assault, but under current Rhode Island law, someone would have to be convicted of three or more domestic assaults before a case would be treated as a felony. The attorney general’s office says reluctant witnesses often make that a difficult hurdle to clear.

This year’s bill would encompass those who have been convicted or pleaded no contest to Has entered a plea of nolo contendere to cyber stalking and cyber harassment as a form of domestic abuse.

The advocates - aligned with Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s Everytown for Gun Safety - are headed to Smith Hill with these talking points:

  • “Though most states have laws prohibiting those convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence crimes from having guns, Rhode Island does not.
  • “Between 2006 and 2015, 54 people lost their lives in domestic violence homicides in Rhode Island. More of those victims were killed with a firearm than by any other means.
  • “The presence of a gun in a domestic violence situation makes it five times more likely that the woman will be killed.
  • “Everytown for Gun Safety examined final domestic abuse protective orders issued by Rhode Island courts between 2012 and 2014. Of the 1,609 final protective orders reviewed, courts required just 5 percent of abusers to turn in their guns.″

As the advocates describe their bill, it would: “prohibit gun possession by domestic abusers convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence crimes...prohibit gun possession by domestic abusers who are currently subject to protective orders...ensure that all domestic abusers turn in their guns when they become prohibited. ”

Another of their key arguments: People convicted of nonviolent domestic violence misdemeanors – like trespassing and damaging or obstructing a telephone – will not be effect because the proposed new restrictions are limited to misdemeanors that involve “the use or attempted use of physical force, or the threatened use of a firearm, against a family or household member.”

The National Rifle Association and its Rhode Island allies - represented by former House Speaker William J. Murphy - is geared up for a fight.

In a newsletter to its members, the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action wrote: “Domestic violence is abhorrent, and convicted violent abusers should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. However... this legislation includes restraining orders for cases where there has been no finding of guilt....A person falsely accused could be facing a lifetime ban on a constitutional right with little or no due process.″

“Rather than punish true abusers, [this bill] does nothing more than create potential traps and pitfalls for law-abiding gun owners,″ the NRA argued.”

“Ultimately, H.5510 is completely unnecessary as federal and state law forbids convicted domestic abusers from possessing firearms. In addition, Rhode Island already has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country....Their real goal is to get rid of all firearms,″ the NRA argues.

During the 2016 election season, the gun-control lobby took direct aim at a number of legislators perceived as gun-rights advocates, including then-House Majority Leader John DeSimone, D-Providence, then-Rep. Jan Malik, D-Warren, and House Judiciary Chairman Cale Keable, D-Burrillville. DeSimone and Malik ultimately lost their seats. Keable narrowly won a 51-to-49 percent vote.


(Side note: "Of the 1,609 final protective orders reviewed, courts required just 5 percent of abusers to turn in their guns." -- I'm curious...how many had guns to turn in?)
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Re: Need help with anti gun poll in Projo

Postby Cyril » Tue May 16, 2017 6:50 pm

Looks like they aren't going to pull it.

R.I. Speaker Mattiello supports a bill that would prohibit people convicted of domestic assault or subject to domestic restraining orders from possessing guns. Do you agree or disagree?

19% Agree, 438 votes

81% Disagree, 1862 votes
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