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Postby newportri » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:04 pm

It's not a surprise that the presidential candidates are weighing in on gun control in the wake of last week's shooting in Oregon.
Of course it is the "gun show loophole" that is being attacked. However, the FBI has said that all the firearms that were used in Oregon were purchased legally so her goal is not to do anything effective. This is nothing new thought and her statements doesn't surprise me.
However, I find it even more disturbing that she would like to repeal the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act" so that gun dealers and manufacturers can be sued by victims of gun violence. Again, this is not aimed at making anyone safer, but just another way of putting American companies out of business.
Clinton will reiterate those same sentiments about the NRA on Monday, and will pledge to repeal the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act," a law signed by President George W. Bush in 2005 that outlawed victims of firearm violence from suing gun manufacturers and dealers. As senator from New York, Clinton voted against the law.

On Monday, Clinton will also call for legislation that prohibits all domestic abusers from buying a weapon.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/05/politics/hillary-clinton-gun-laws-nra/index.html
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Postby Uncle Duke » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:41 pm

I would expect that if this piece of nonsense were to become law that the price of guns and ammunition would go up and we'll see a number of smaller firearms manufacturers go out of business. Something like this happened in the 1980's when a similar law was enacted that allowed the general public to sue general aviation airplane manufacturers for accidents. While the law that affected airplane manufacturers like Cessna and Beechcraft was different, they were held to a similar standard where they could be sued even in cases of negligence by mechanics and pilots. The burden of proof was very low and forced Textron (the owner of Cessna and Beechcraft) to stop making general aviation planes until the law was repealed in 1994 or 1995.

It's bad enough that we've had to deal with ammo shortages because of fears driven by perceived/anticipated actions by the government in the recent past. Not to be a fearmonger, but if Hillary's agenda comes to fruition and legislation is enacted, the shortage of ammo will probably a permanent reality and will your ability to purchase guns at a reasonable (!) price will become a thing of the past.
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Re: Clinton pledges to close the gun show loophole and...

Postby newportri » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:16 pm

It's somewhat understandable that someone wants to sue a manufacturer of a product that has a defect that resulted in an accident. However, what Clinton is talking about is different since these guns don't go off by themselves and there is always a shooter who deliberately shoots the gun. I don't think any company should be sued if their product worked as it was intended regardless of whether the make guns or something else.
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Postby Uncle Duke » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:32 pm

There is a glaring similarity between both of these products. Hillary Clinton and Michael Bloomberg have wanted to get legislation passed that would require the Consumer Product Safety Commission to declare that firearms are inherently unsafe and defective products. This would, without a doubt, result in a backlog of lawsuits against gun manufacturers, much as it did with airplane manufacturers who also faced retroactive lawsuits. A product does not have to have a manufacturing defect, only something that someone doesn't feel is safe about it.

This law also resulted in a number of legacy lawsuits against the automobile manufacturers in Detroit for age old personal injury and wrongful death suits that were later determined to be frivolous.
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Postby newportri » Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:04 am

I know of a few cases where a gun manufacturer was sued and they settled out of court, but does anyone know a case where they went to court and lost?
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Re: Clinton pledges to close the gun show loophole and...

Postby RImike » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:16 pm

newportri wrote:I know of a few cases where a gun manufacturer was sued and they settled out of court, but does anyone know a case where they went to court and lost?

Yes, the Lucky Gunner lawsuit :http://www.guns.com/2015/04/23/aurora-theater-victims-family-may-owe-280000-in-lucky-gunner-lawsuit/
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Postby newportri » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:07 pm

I meant a case where the gun mfr or dealer lost.
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