2015: H5861 - Possession of firearms on school grounds

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2015: H5861 - Possession of firearms on school grounds

Postby newportri » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:08 am

Permit holders will no longer be able to possess a firearm on school ground. The problem is the definition of "school grounds":
For the purposes of this section, "school grounds" means the property of a public or private elementary or secondary school or in those portions of any building, stadium, or other structure on school grounds which were, at the time of the violation, being used for an activity sponsored by or through a school in this state or while riding school provided transportation.

I honestly don't know where all buildings that are owned by schools are located. I also don't think they need to mandate that a private school can not allow firearms to protect their students.
http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText15/HouseText15/H5861.pdf
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Re: 2015: H5861 - Possession of firearms on school grounds

Postby RImike » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:36 pm

being used for an activity sponsored by or through a school in this state

So if the school takes a field trip to the beach, does that mean the beach is considered the school zone?
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Re: 2015: H5861 - Possession of firearms on school grounds

Postby newportri » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:50 pm

If Tanzi (the sponsor) finds out you can carry on the beach she is going to ask where you are concealing your firearm ;-)
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Re: 2015: H5861 - Possession of firearms on school grounds

Postby RImike » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:47 pm

04/15/2015 Committee recommended measure be held for further study
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Re: 2015: H5861 - Possession of firearms on school grounds

Postby newportri » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:07 pm

Projo's take on the testimonies.
State House debate: Does 'a lunch lady with a Glock' make R.I. schools safer?

By Amanda Milkovits
‚Ä©Journal Staff Writer

Posted Apr. 16, 2015 at 7:47 AM
PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- A bill that would ban people from carrying concealed weapons on school grounds throughout Rhode Island drew hours of divided testimony at the House Judiciary Committee and offered little compromise Wednesday night.
PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- A bill that would ban people from carrying concealed weapons on school grounds throughout Rhode Island drew hours of divided testimony at the House Judiciary Committee and offered little compromise Wednesday night.

There are 39 states and the District of Columbia that prohibit firearms in schools, even for civilians with permits to carry.

Rhode Island is different. Here, people with permits for concealed weapons (there are more than 3,000) are allowed to bring firearms onto school grounds. Providence Rep. Edith Ajello's bill would repeal that part of the law for civilians and retired police officers.

The horrors of school shootings at Columbine High School and Sandy Hook Elementary School were raised by both sides, each with different interpretations. Those in support of the bill included a teacher in Newtown, Conn., who remembered the terror of her students at the nearby middle school. Those opposed said that the shootings could have been prevented by an armed civilian.

Members of the National Rifle Association, the Rhode Island Second Amendment Coalition, people wearing "Gun Control Does Not Work" buttons, and those who said they had gun permits mocked "Gun-Free Zones" in schools -- calling them "Killing Zones" -- and argued that schools would be safer with people carrying firearms.

"If the state is saying 'We trust you in grocery stores and in a park,' why when you go in a school are you untrustworthy?" said NRA lobbyist Darin Goens.

The bill was supported by educators, doctors, police officers, the attorney general's office, the Rhode Island Association of School Committees, Rhode Island Moms Demand Action, and members of the Rhode Island Coalition Against Gun Violence, who said that more firearms in schools won't make them safer, and civilians aren't trained to handle shootings.

"A lunch lady with a Glock isn't the same situation as a guard here in the State House," said Jerry Belair, president of the Rhode Island Coalition Against Gun Violence.
The Rhode Island Police Chiefs Association and the Rhode Island Brotherhood of Correctional Officers said they were concerned that off-duty law enforcement would not be allowed to carry weapons. Ajello indicated that could be amended.

The committee was considering other bills on concealed carry permits late Wednesday night. One would allow an automatic renewal of gun permits. Another bill would change the way the attorney general's office issues permits for concealed weapons -- taking away its discretion by saying the attorney general "shall" grant the permit, and limiting the questions that the attorney general's office can ask applicants.

http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150416/NEWS/150419471/-1/breaking_ajax
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Re: 2015: H5861 - Possession of firearms on school grounds

Postby RImike » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:14 pm

At-least the yellow buttons got mentioned, but in a way in which we weren't part of an organization, but rather everyday people. I am glad the chairman finally mentioned to keep testimony on track as people were essentially testifying that this bill would arm teachers/school administrators when in reality it would disarm people.
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Re: 2015: H5861 - Possession of firearms on school grounds

Postby newportri » Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:02 pm

The RICAGV is really pushing this bill hard and they are getting a lot of support. I encourage everyone to contact the reps and members of the Judiciary committees and ask them to oppose this bill. This bill will prevent any school from hiring private security firms and I doubt this is what we need. Also the School committees should be contacted and let them know about this bill.
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150601/NEWS/150609965/-1/breaking_ajax
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Re: 2015: H5861 - Possession of firearms on school grounds

Postby RImike » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:27 pm

Linda Finn fails once again:
We believe trained law enforcement should be permitted to concealed-carry on school property as they are the only people qualified to handle hostile situations


Sadly, most police don't have the proper training either. Not to mention, what if an individual like one of us does indeed have extensive tactical training?

Furthermore, doesn't this bring up the 14th amendment and the equal protection clause?

Finally, 11-47-11 still states everywhere, so there would then be two conflicting RI laws.
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Re: 2015: H5861 - Possession of firearms on school grounds

Postby newportri » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:39 pm

Some clown (Tim Duffy with RI school dept assn.) was on Buddy and saying it is a loophole they would like to clear up.. Its not a loophole, the legislators has specifically exempted permit holders from being prohibited..
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Re: 2015: H5861 - Possession of firearms on school grounds

Postby RImike » Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:39 pm

newportri wrote:The RICAGV is really pushing this bill hard and they are getting a lot of support. I encourage everyone to contact the reps and members of the Judiciary committees and ask them to oppose this bill. This bill will prevent any school from hiring private security firms and I doubt this is what we need. Also the School committees should be contacted and let them know about this bill.
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150601/NEWS/150609965/-1/breaking_ajax

The comments are face palm central over there.
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