Group targeting 11-47-11 "loophole"

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Group targeting 11-47-11 "loophole"

Postby Thib » Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:44 pm

As usual, lots of wrong information in the article... These people just don't do their homework.

http://www.rifuture.org/group-seeks-to-close-loophole-allowing-guns-in-schools.html
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Re: Group targeting 11-47-11 "loophole"

Postby newportri » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:59 pm

Thanks for posting, I don't read RIFUTURE and wouldn't have seen this.
The General Assembly has an opportunity to correct this oversight, and should do so this year.

I guess the RICAGV doesn't understand that this was NOT an oversight, but done on purpose so that those with a CCW can legally in schools to protect themselves and their children. If the RICAGV feel the two statutes are conflicting, why don't they try to change 11-47-60 to specifically exclude those with a CCW permit from being prohibited from carrying in schools?? Again, this is not about gun safety, but about gun control.
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Re: Group targeting 11-47-11 "loophole"

Postby Thib » Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:25 pm

I agree... I don't read it either, but I was perusing Facebook and saw a link to it on there. Lots of misleading information information in the article as well.
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Re: Group targeting 11-47-11 "loophole"

Postby RImike » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:36 pm

The state laws regarding 11-47-11 and the word "everywhere" contradicts the wording of other statues, which is no surprise as this is RI after all.

This isn't a "loophole" but rather worded properly as outlined in the RI Constitution, Article 1
Section 22. Right to bear arms. -- The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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Re: Group targeting 11-47-11 "loophole"

Postby Speedie » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:28 pm

Reposting my reply on FB:

The whole article is full of herp and derp. § 11-47-60 (b) provides that "The provisions of this section shall not apply to any person who shall be exempt pursuant to the provisions of §§ 11-47-9, 11-47-11, and 11-47-18..." in other words people with a carry permit. There is nothing ambiguous about the law, and if they'd read further than § 11-47-60 (a) before screaming "OMG they can haz gunz in skoolz!!??" then they wouldn't have needed expert input to "figure out which law prevails".

There is no conflict.
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Re: Group targeting 11-47-11 "loophole"

Postby newportri » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:45 pm

I think they know that and this obviously has nothing to do clarifying anything, but it has to do with stripping away on the rights we have.
Remember last year the RICAGV wanted to strike 11-47-11 and make the AG the only licensing authority since they felt that would create a more uniform standard...
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Re: Group targeting 11-47-11 "loophole"

Postby Speedie » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:58 pm

newportri wrote:I think they know that and this obviously has nothing to do clarifying anything, but it has to do with stripping away on the rights we have.
Remember last year the RICAGV wanted to strike 11-47-11 and make the AG the only licensing authority since they felt that would create a more uniform standard...


Understood, but for an attorney and also the AG's office to (allegedly) claim that it's not clear whether 11-47-11 or 11-47-60(a) is the controlling statute, when there's an exemption right there in 11-47-60(b), is ridiculous.
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Re: Group targeting 11-47-11 "loophole"

Postby newportri » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:42 pm

Yes, that is true.

It would have been interesting if the RICAGV had asked why the AG's office simply just put restrictions on the permit to "prohibit" when and where you can carry. After all, they do this today. I would have liked to hear the AG come out and say there is no point in this since "there is no legality to these restrictions".
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