Carry vs Target Ammo

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Carry vs Target Ammo

Postby red___rover » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:18 pm

I was able to sign up and get into a class I've been looking at for a while and the round count is 400+ (manufactured only - no reloads). Lead me to start thinking about practice vs carry ammo and wondering what you guy run. Same manufacture? Same weight? While I carry 147gn 9mm, right now most of the I have laying around is 115gr / 124gr and some 147gr of various manufactures. If running a defensive course at 400-500rnds should I be stocking up on 147gr practice ammo or would a 124gr or 115gr be okay or should I just mix it up?
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Re: Carry vs Target Ammo

Postby RImike » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:55 pm

The only stuff I've found to be close is the Winchester Train and Defend. More about it here: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/1 ... in-defend/

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Re: Carry vs Target Ammo

Postby red___rover » Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:13 pm

Interesting article. I was just thinking along the lines of simple for recoil feels and acquisition and not even thinking about matching velocity and shapes and everything else. This will be the first class I do (unless I can squeeze one in beforehand) with such a high round count.
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Re: Carry vs Target Ammo

Postby Blast54 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:49 am

red___rover wrote:I was able to sign up and get into a class I've been looking at for a while and the round count is 400+ (manufactured only - no reloads). Lead me to start thinking about practice vs carry ammo and wondering what you guy run. Same manufacture? Same weight? While I carry 147gn 9mm, right now most of the I have laying around is 115gr / 124gr and some 147gr of various manufactures. If running a defensive course at 400-500rnds should I be stocking up on 147gr practice ammo or would a 124gr or 115gr be okay or should I just mix it up?


Where is the class you are taking with such a high round count? I wouldn't be too concerned about shooting a round that is similar to your carry ammo. Most classes focus on drills and repetition of those drills. As to whether your carry ammo is going to be reliable that is easy enough with one box never mind 400 rounds.

If it were me I would buy a case of 115s because I can't tell the difference between those and 124s out of my pistol and the 116s are cheaper.

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Re: Carry vs Target Ammo

Postby red___rover » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:57 pm

Blast54 wrote:Where is the class you are taking with such a high round count? I wouldn't be too concerned about shooting a round that is similar to your carry ammo. Most classes focus on drills and repetition of those drills. As to whether your carry ammo is going to be reliable that is easy enough with one box never mind 400 rounds.

If it were me I would buy a case of 115s because I can't tell the difference between those and 124s out of my pistol and the 116s are cheaper.

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Its out in Colorado. I've run multiple boxes of what I carry for reliability checks ... just wondering about 147 vs 115 and overall feel.

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Re: Carry vs Target Ammo

Postby CTSixshot » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:14 pm

I won't attempt to tell you what to carry, but if you want to try an assortment of bullet weights, profiles and load charges bring your bullets of choice (powders, too, if you seek more than W571 and Longshot) and I'll assist you in reloading all manner of 9x19mm for your testing. Test-fire range on site. I'm assuming you are in RI, not CO.
This won't meet your requirement for factory ammo, but you can determine what feeds, what doesn't and how they all "feel".
As you're aware, lead-core bullets for 9x19mm typically range from 88g to roughly 158g, although other materials provide for lighter projectiles, too.

Here are a few I've sampled successfully in 9mm: (158g and 162g):
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Re: Carry vs Target Ammo

Postby RImike » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:41 pm

162 gr loads? Can you throw them to the target faster? :lol:
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Re: Carry vs Target Ammo

Postby CTSixshot » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:50 pm

Certainly...being a tad longer than the 115 grainers they reach the target sooner. (Yuck, yuck!)
Come on now...don't you want your Niner to perform at a .500 S&W Magnum level?
Everybody I know expects their .380 LCP to do the work of a .44 Magnum...minimum!
And no, I am not advocating pushing beyond design limits of any caliber; buy a .41 Magnum if you want .41 Magnum performance... a .25 ACP, if you want .25 ACP performance.

FWIW...
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/29575 ... -box-of-50

There's even load data (Accurate) for a 230g bullet in .38 Special...

My own Lyman 358315 (206g) in .38 Special (obviously intended to be fired in a .357 Magnum chambered revolver):
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Re: Carry vs Target Ammo

Postby SirSqueeboo » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:50 am

Speer Lawman 115/124 for training and either 124gr +P Gold Dots or 147 HSTs for party time.

Matching the bullet weight is over-rated.
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Re: Carry vs Target Ammo

Postby YKCOR1313 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:14 pm

I carry the Sig Elite 147 gr 9mm hollow points and it runs great in my Glock 19 and 43. I practice with the Federal 147 gr ball ammo that we use for IDPA. The 147 has less muzzle rise than the 115 and 124 and it does a great job knocking down the steel reactive targets.
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